I hate to keep posting these, but it helps us to be aware of such
things. Here's the link to a Washington Post story about a Cessna with
three souls aboard that went down attempting to land in poor
visibility, after being warned by unicom about the conditions.
Yesterday was a bad day, with this and the loss of the Columbia 400
near Stafford.

Here's the story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/22/AR2006022200896.html

Wiz

.... and another Cirrus went down this morning:

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4548164


"Wiz" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I hate to keep posting these, but it helps us to be aware of such
> things. Here's the link to a Washington Post story about a Cessna with
> three souls aboard that went down attempting to land in poor
> visibility, after being warned by unicom about the conditions.
> Yesterday was a bad day, with this and the loss of the Columbia 400
> near Stafford.
>
> Here's the story:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/22/AR2006022200896.html
>
> Wiz
>

Wiz > wrote:
> I hate to keep posting these, but it helps us to be aware of such
> things. Here's the link to a Washington Post story about a Cessna with
> three souls aboard that went down attempting to land in poor
> visibility, after being warned by unicom about the conditions.
> Yesterday was a bad day, with this and the loss of the Columbia 400
> near Stafford.

This is actually the third plane down near DC. The Columbia 400 was the
second. The first was a 172 down at Freeway airport (my old homebase).
Two killed, one injured during heavy snow showers and low clouds.

--- Jay




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Actually, Jay, I think this is the same report, of a 172 down at W00
(Freeway).

Cheers,
Wiz.


Jay Masino wrote:
> Wiz > wrote:
> > I hate to keep posting these, but it helps us to be aware of such
> > things. Here's the link to a Washington Post story about a Cessna with
> > three souls aboard that went down attempting to land in poor
> > visibility, after being warned by unicom about the conditions.
> > Yesterday was a bad day, with this and the loss of the Columbia 400
> > near Stafford.
>
> This is actually the third plane down near DC. The Columbia 400 was the
> second. The first was a 172 down at Freeway airport (my old homebase).
> Two killed, one injured during heavy snow showers and low clouds.
>
> --- Jay
>
>
>
>
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Wiz > wrote:
> Actually, Jay, I think this is the same report, of a 172 down at W00
> (Freeway).
> Cheers,
> Wiz.

Ooops... I engaged my fingers before reading the article... Actually,
there was a third one (which is what I thought you were talking about).
A Cessna in Virginia hit a power line and tractor trailer.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=708449

--- Jay



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"Wiz" > wrote:

>I hate to keep posting these, but it helps us to be aware of such
>things.

And not a single death is likely to be prevented by knowing about
this. Now if you can determine a way to keep pilots from doing
stupid things that results in fatalities you would be deserving of
mucho accolades and honors. I am not lambasting you but the bottom
line is that pilots screw up royally at times. And people die.

It is like ethics in business or government. People do bad things.
Always have...always will.

It seems that many of these accidents should be evaluated in terms of
judgement and things that affect it such as get home-itis, get there
pressure from execs, etc. Then at BFR (or equivalent) time do
scenarios based on that. That may do more to prevent accidents than
chwecking flying skills. This may be similar to CRM techniques taught
to encourage a first officer to tell the Captain he is screwing up
rather than defer to the Captain's position and assume that he is
always right.

Ron Lee

Ron:

I appreciate that you are not lambasting me for posting this. I
wasn't looking for accolades and honors. I think it's apparent from my
post that I was kind of ambivalent about posting it. But I do think
knowing about these things serves at least some purpose. One, it
serves a some reminder that our pastime is unforgiving of mistakes, and
two, it allows us to reflect upon the loss of members of the flying
community.

I agree that, at least from the reports, a couple of these do sound
like the result of "get home-itis," or other lapses in judgment. You
are quite right that they should be evaluated in those terms. Knowing
about them gives us the opportunity to evaluate them.

Regards,
Wiz


Ron Lee wrote:
> "Wiz" > wrote:
>
> >I hate to keep posting these, but it helps us to be aware of such
> >things.
>
> And not a single death is likely to be prevented by knowing about
> this. Now if you can determine a way to keep pilots from doing
> stupid things that results in fatalities you would be deserving of
> mucho accolades and honors. I am not lambasting you but the bottom
> line is that pilots screw up royally at times. And people die.
>
> It is like ethics in business or government. People do bad things.
> Always have...always will.
>
> It seems that many of these accidents should be evaluated in terms of
> judgement and things that affect it such as get home-itis, get there
> pressure from execs, etc. Then at BFR (or equivalent) time do
> scenarios based on that. That may do more to prevent accidents than
> chwecking flying skills. This may be similar to CRM techniques taught
> to encourage a first officer to tell the Captain he is screwing up
> rather than defer to the Captain's position and assume that he is
> always right.
>
> Ron Lee